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22 Oct 2019 23:07 PDT
Thinking about commissioning you, but need clarification on a few things.
Hi, I'm considering commissioning you, but I have a couple questions first.
What exactly are your limits, specifically for the bodily functions thing. I've seen some of your work where characters have obviously wet themselves, and even a couple where they appear to have messed themselves, those were only ever diaper pics, though. Even the wetting seems to usually be very subtle, and almost always takes the form of discolored underwear. I'm just wondering where exactly you draw the line in terms of wetting and messing. I do admit it is an area of sexual interest for me, but at the same time my characters tend to go in their pants as a routine matter-of-fact thing, and it's not sexual for them.
Also, I'm just curious how you take payment.
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22 Oct 2019 23:32 PDT
Re: Thinking about commissioning you, but need clarification on a few things.
Thanks for your interest. :3
1. I usually take payment by paypal, in advance.
That said, I just deposited a money order sent by another commissioner who was suspicious of electronic money transfers. So I make exceptions.
2. I don’t draw obvious scat. And to me, “yellow”=“sign of possible dehydration irl”. :P
So I prefer to be sorta subtle about how I portray wetting. I try to be as “real life” and “matter of fact” as possible.
I’ve sketched at least 2 wetting-in-progress pics of my own characters, so I’m ok with that. A few of my characters in the 4-7yo bracket do like to wet themselves as a matter of fact thing, so I do understand where you’re coming from. ^^
Hope this helps.
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22 Oct 2019 23:50 PDT
My thing with payment is I'd really prefer my IRL name be as unconnected from my furry stuff as possible. I can trust that a big company wouldn't give out my information to a rando trying to dox me, but I hope you understand that I can't have the same trust for an artist unless I know them very well.
I honestly have no idea if Paypal gives out your name when you pay someone with it. You'd have to tell me if they do or not. In any case, I'd have to create an additional PayPal account, because the email address for the one I have contains my name.
I've actually never bought a commission, but it's something I've always wanted to do. I'm just really wary about the payment thing. Do you have any idea for a solution that may work?
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23 Oct 2019 17:48 PDT
I’ve seen the occasional person with a paypal account register it under a pseudonym where one is supposed to enter one’s name.
I don’t see why that couldn’t work.
I’m not conversant with the other methods of electronic payment that exist at present. About 90% of my transactions are done thru paypal.
IMO I’d suggest registering a paypal under a pseudonym.
Btw- I assume you’re ok with my terms of service? ^^
Also- I look forward to seeing what idea you may have in mind.
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25 Oct 2019 23:45 PDT
Yeah. I'm okay with the terms. Sorry for taking so long to reply. I was procrastinating setting the PayPal account up. It seems to be working fine now.
I'm not sure exactly what I have in terms of ideas. I have a few characters, but for most of them, I'd want messing to be part of the first art I get of them. I have 2 characters I'd be interested in getting art of who only ever wet, but I want it to be somewhat noticeable, and one where's pull-ups where the only way to make it noticeable is to make it yellow, which you might nor be as comfortable with. I understand what you mean when you say it's a sign of possible dehydration, but to be honest in real life, kids often are slightly dehydrated.
Also, I don't have any art already done of any character I'd want art of, so there wouldn't really be any ref. They are all based off of plushies that I own, though, so that should give some idea of what they look like, just as anthro cub versions instead. https://i.redd.it/7oy8ppqebno21.jpg
Anyway, I hope we can come up with an idea together that works for both of us. The only thing I know for sure is that I'd want a one character colored piece that includes intentional/nonchalant wetting.
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31 Oct 2019 02:10 PDT
Hi. It's been a few days since I sent my last message and you haven't responded. I'm not trying to be impatient or anything, but you were responding relatively quickly before, and now you aren't, so I'm just kinda wondering why.
If you want me to think of a specific idea that definitely fits what you've said your willing to do, I can certainly do that. I just thought it might be better if we thought up an idea that works together.
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31 Oct 2019 08:20 PDT
Sure. I’m up for working out something that way. That is, whichever way feels best to you.
Apologies for the radio silence. I was at FurPocalypse over the weekend, so my last week and a half was taken up.
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31 Oct 2019 17:28 PDT
Yeah. I do think it works best to figure out something together. The previous message (the one before the last one I sent) has my current thoughts, and we can go from there.
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31 Oct 2019 23:09 PDT
Which of the characters do you have in mind? I see a wild dog, a fox, an otter, a raccoon, a rabbit, and maybe a red panda.
How old is the character also?
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31 Oct 2019 23:35 PDT
I think probably the otter Lutari, because he's the one who only really likes wetting and doesn't wear pull-ups. The other ones either also like messing, which I would like to be part of my first picture of them, or they wear pull-ups, which have be be yellowed to be obviously wet, which is something you seem to not necessarily want to do.
If you are able to do a pull-up that's obviously wet, keeping in mind that many children are hot always perfectly hydrated in real life, CP (the red panda) might would probably be the one I prefer. Just because I have an outstanding request of Lutari, and I'd like to start out with some variety of my characters.
Both characters are 8 years old, and actually always wet themselves, and do not pee in the toilet at all. My universe is actually much more of a multiverse, and details change to fit the situation, but suffice it to say in most realities the adoptive dad of all of them (usually signally, but also could be multiple at once.) Is my separate raccoon character (not the plushie) whose name is Tobias and believes that cubs should be able to go to the bathroom in whatever manner they choose to, so long as it doesn't create a problem for someone else. He doesn't mind cleaning up after his kid(s), though, he does make sure they know how to do it all themselves once they're old enough.
I do have kinda an alternate universe I've thought of for Lutari, though, where he meets Tobias later and he's "only" his babysitter. However, he already wet constantly, but his (single) mom didn't even know because she has no sense of smell, and he wears dark pants when out-and-about. In this universe, he has basically a completely separate living space in the basement, complete with his own bathroom and washer/dryer. A bit odd for an 8-year-old, but feasible, I think with a mother who stresses independence.
Of course, the piece would only be a single-character one. I'm just giving all of this information as background.
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01 Nov 2019 20:17 PDT
So which boy are you leaning toward more? The otter or the red panda? :3
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01 Nov 2019 20:35 PDT
The red panda (CP), but only if you'll draw him obviously wet. However, if the info I gave about Lutari (the otter) inspired you at all, I'd be willing to hear any ideas you have for a pic with him.
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01 Nov 2019 23:07 PDT
How do you see the boys dressing?
That is, any way in particular?
Or do I have carte blanche as far as designing them?
Also- are either of them all about the shirt-and-undies life, as some of my characters are? :V
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01 Nov 2019 23:18 PDT
An important detail about Lutatri that I forgot to mention before he that he really doesn't wear shirts. He may wear a jacket if it's cold, or he's somewhere where his torso absolute has to be covered (which probably wouldn't be much of anywhere in a world I'd put him in), but bare-chested is by far his prefrence, and he owns no shirts. In terms of pants, he typically goes for fabric that will not show wetness or yellow staining while in public. This is usually dark in color, but I can vouch from personal experience that some types of pajama pants, for instance, have this feature regardless of pattern. At home though (at least in any reality he lives with Tobias) he wants his wetting to be obvious, so wears lightly colored sweatpants or shorts typically. He doesn't really do jeans or any other type of pants that need to be buttoned/zippered. Also, the mess of rubber bands on his left wrist is significant, but should be rendered as a single rubber band of any color in art.
CP will absolutely go for just a shirt and his pull-up when in private, but it known to wear comfy pajamas shorts or sweats too. In terms shirts, he keeps it completely casual. Mostly graphic tees, and nothing with a collar. Though, rendering the tag on his neck as part of some sort of dog-type collar might be an interesting design decision that I'd be behind.
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02 Nov 2019 10:09 PDT
Sounds to me like I’d be willing to give CP a try.
So just a casual wetting scenario?
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02 Nov 2019 22:00 PDT
Yep. Keeping in mind that he wears pull-ups 24/7.
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06 Nov 2019 14:47 PST
Please excuse the delay in my replies here.
Got a cold that’s not strong enough to keep me out of work but JUST strong enough to take up any other energy I have outside of its :U
That said- how does this sound?
I keep imagining CP maybe having just gotten out of bed in the morning in his t and pull ups and he’s standing in front of the bed and relaxing and letting it happen.
What do you think about that?
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06 Nov 2019 16:32 PST
Don't worry about the cold. I understand.
As for the idea. I like it. It sounds good.
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06 Nov 2019 19:27 PST
Then I could run with that. ^^
Would $35 be okay for something like this?
Also, I’m thinking- do you have any ideas on stuff he might have in his room I could add as incidental details?
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06 Nov 2019 19:58 PST
Yeah. That's a decent price.
Not really sure about the things in his room. I could see him having a Nintendo Switch, and maybe Pokemon merch. However, that type of thing kinda adds unneeded complexity. I'm not really sure what he'd have that wouldn't. He's definitely more the type of kid to play with technology, rather than "toys" per se, though he probably would have stuffed animals (though tbh, I haven't really figured out if stuffed animals really work in a furry world without being "dolls"), but once again, that adds a fair amount of complexity.
I'm just bad thinking of this type of thing. If you have any ideas, I can tell you if they fit him or not.
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06 Nov 2019 20:02 PST
Addition:
Also, I kinda imagine him sharing a room/bed with Tobias (his adoptive dad). If you'd rather not do it that way, that's fine too, but you could make it an adult's room/ queen sized bed. Though there'd still be plenty of "childish" stuff in there, because CP would still have his stuff in there, and Tobias isn't the most "grown-up" adult.
Tobias wouldn't be shown of course. He would have already gotten up or whatever/
However, if that idea makes you uncomfortable, or you just don't wanna do it, that's fine too.
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06 Nov 2019 20:03 PST
1. I’ve drawn some of my cubs with plushies. Interesting idea- that they’d consider them “dolls”.
2. My paypal is thebrightone383 AT hotmail DOT com. ^__^
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06 Nov 2019 20:26 PST
Did you see the second message? About the room/bed possibily being shared with Tobias.
As for whether they'd consider them "dolls" I guess it depends entirely on whether or not feral animals exist in their world. I tend to leace that ambiguous in my stories, because I think it may hurt the eligibility of the world. However, I think it probably does have feral animals. in which case, plushies could be seen the same as they are irl, rather than as "dolls."
So, as for PayPal, which box do you want me to check about what the money's for? Also, I've never sent money with PayPal, so are there any other options that I would have to choose?
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06 Nov 2019 20:53 PST
Check off “goods and services” or whatever that one is.
No additional explanation is needed or required as far as what the money is being sent for.
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06 Nov 2019 20:54 PST
Alright. I'll do so then.
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06 Nov 2019 20:58 PST
Let me know if there’s any other issues. ^_^
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06 Nov 2019 21:06 PST
Alright, sent. Should be from "Juan Mapache" and/or "catlover1019@protonmail.com"
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06 Nov 2019 22:46 PST
Also, one thing I should probably note is that CP does wear a rubber band on his left wrist as his plushie form does.
Also, I just noticed how poorly CP shoes up in that group photo. Here's some solo pictures of him. https://imgur.com/a/rrgTrft They're older, so they also don't show the rubber band on his wrist, but it's the same as Bandit's, which you can see in the group pic.
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27 Jan 2020 22:01 PST
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27 Jan 2020 22:13 PST
I think it looks good. The legs are definitely in proportion for his age, or close to it, so I think if they're gonna be shortened, it doesn't need to be much.
The undergarment is a disposable pull-up, right? It's kinda hard to tell.
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27 Jan 2020 22:37 PST
Yeah it is. The ref I was using had those symmetrical stripes on the front. So uncolored it looks kinda ambiguous like briefs.
But yeah they’ll be colored like pull ups. Blue sides and white front.
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27 Jan 2020 22:39 PST
Yeah, I understand. Many do have a printed on "fly" or something on the front irl.
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28 Jan 2020 14:53 PST
I'd like to thank you again very much for doing this. It really looks great so far, and CP is just as I imagined him.
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13 Feb 2020 23:19 PST
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13 Feb 2020 23:24 PST
Lookin great so far, I love how the pull-ups look
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13 Feb 2020 23:32 PST
Very good, sir. ^^
Question: assuming he’s wetting them, is anything in particular happening apart from a change in color?
I ask only bc it’s kinda not easy to find pull-up-wetting visual refs. :U
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14 Feb 2020 00:29 PST
From what I understand, they swell slightly, and some have fading wetness indicator designs of some sort or another
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25 Feb 2020 23:31 PST
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25 Feb 2020 23:46 PST
I'm liking it a lot so far, thanks. You do great work.
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24 Mar 2020 00:07 PDT
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24 Mar 2020 00:09 PDT
Aww, it's no problem at all. Take all the time you need, it's looking awesome. He is gonna end up being wet, right?
It looks like it's very nearly done tbh, but ofc I don't know your workflow.
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01 Apr 2020 00:42 PDT
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01 Apr 2020 01:20 PDT
I love it, thank you very much <3. It's definitely worth the wait.
And yeah, np, just let me knw when you have that ready.
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05 Apr 2020 08:54 PDT
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05 Apr 2020 10:05 PDT
It's awesome, thank you very much <3
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13 Apr 2020 13:07 PDT
Once again, I'd like to thank you for doing a fantastic job on the comm. I love it.
I did just notice that the rubber band is on the wrong rist, but that's completely on me for not realizing before. I was just looking back and it's been like that since at least the ink stage. It's not a big deal really, it's fine as it is.
I'd definitely love to work with you again in the future if you'd be down.
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