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22 Feb 2020 08:28 PST
Hello!
I'm not sure how to start this, but I've read your journals and I'm intrigued by your position. The topic is very touchy and I'm pleasantly surprised when someone takes such a bold position in public view.
Personally I'm anti-contact but I'm not one to berate someone for thinking differently. I haven't done a whole lot of research, but I know the bullet points for all sides other argument(s). Regardless, there is no reason for Cub art to be bashed as severely as it is. Fiction and fantasy are wonderful forms of entertainment!
I definitely stand for the freedom of expression through art of all ages and I would stand with those that take a more open approach to sexuality.
Sorry to bother you but I wanted to at least thank you for being so open. :-)
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22 Feb 2020 20:00 PST
Re: Hello!
Nah, you didn't bother me at all. I love getting random PMs like this. Surpsidsing the vast mojority of them are positive like yours.
Yeah, pro-c or anti-c, everything in fantasy is a-ok, imo.
If you actually wanna discuss the pro-vs-anti contact debate, I'm always open to it. Most of the time I has the discussion it's with someone a lot less reasonable and open minded, so I'd love to have it with a nice guy like you.
But yeah, thank you very much for your kind words, and if you wanna IM and get to know eachother, you can hmu anytime on Discord "PC (Notif-Friendly Coonbutt)#4190"
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23 Feb 2020 22:48 PST
I'm not completely against the idea of safe and responsible yiff across all ages. But at the same time a family is free to express their love in a manner they see fit. Even if that includes yiff.
While I would prefer that adults abstain from yiffing with cubs I won't stand against the idea either. IMO it's best to leave them alone but encourage their natural curiosity.
At the moment I don't use any messaging apps. Although I do understand the ease of chatting outside of a website. I have used one app though, it's called WickrMe, I think.
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23 Feb 2020 22:53 PST
Yeah, that's an interesting way to look a tit. I've written about my views at length in my journals and "debates" in the comments of them, ut if you have any questions, feel free to ask. I'm an open book.
Chatting here is fine too, just quite a bit slower. I recommend Discord, or if you want something super secure, Tox, for IMing. I use both all the time
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24 Feb 2020 00:46 PST
Discord has always felt like something to avoid. I have no idea why I feel that way. I looked into Tox and I might give that a try. On the meantime I don't mind a slow response here.
As for me I'm definitely open to answering any questions. I think part of the reason I reached out was to have another viewpoint on the subject. I still struggle with my feelings but I am closer to acceptance. I'm all little gun-shy when it comes to terminology. I'm hesitant to use the word "pedophile" despite knowing and understanding it's definition. I just don't think that's a label I'm prepared to carry. On the other hoof I'm happy to bare the label of "zoophile." 🤷🏻♂️
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24 Feb 2020 13:11 PST
Yeah, Tox is pretty okay
I don't know if I have any questions atm. *hugs* Sorry that you struggle with that stuff. If you ever wanna talk a bit more "seriously." I'm down. As for the label thing, Ican understand that, I guess for me that's just what the label has always been. I've been considering myself a pedophile since long before I knew the term "MAP" or anything like that.
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24 Feb 2020 16:03 PST
The term MAP, though softer, has its flaws. The common argument is that a 16yo dating a 15yo could be considered a MAP.
I definitely recognize the fact that I am indeed a pedophile, more specifically a nepiophile, I'm just not prepared to carry that title with as much pride as perhaps you have. Certainly not going to be changing my screen name to "PediPony" anytime soon. ^///^
I still have a lot of confusion as I try to understand my thoughts and desires. Pieces of myself come together slowly. I've not had an opportunity to chat with someone who is pro-contact and I'm curious about your thoughts on the benefits of it. My anti-c views may simply be skewed by current laws. But I do feel that cubs should be free of adult intervention when it comes to yiff.
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24 Feb 2020 16:28 PST
Yeah, I mean MAP was never really meant as a replacement for the age specific labels, (pedo, hebe, etc) more as an umbrella term. Also, "minor" is a legal term that has nothing to do really with what the attraction's toward. I much prefer labels based on developmental "maturity." And yeah, it doesn't really do any good to say that a adolescent is a hebephile or a "MAP" for being attracted to those their same age, though it is technically true.
Yeah, of course to each their own on that front. I think I 'm a lot the way I am in that aspect because the first pedo besides myself that I met was open about it and wore the label with pride, and still is. Though he doesn't go as fa as having it in his username. That was something I decided to try a few months ago, and I'm very happy with the decision myself.
But yeah, I'm always down to chat about consent/contact issues. Also, yeah, I never got why anyone wanted to interfere with kids engaging sexually with each-other.
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24 Feb 2020 22:14 PST
Using a number to define a line between what's legal and what's not is a bit odd. Though I do understand that the system needs some form of boundaries. There's more to a loving/romantic relationship than numbers.
By intervene I meant more along the lines of cubs exploring their bodies them an adult decides to help by showing them how. Not that that's a bad thing if the cubs had asked for help. Cubs are going to be curious and play Doctor while naked. There's no reason to stop that sort of play. But there's also no need for an adult to play along, IMO anyway.
I am slowly beginning to accept the fact that I do find cubs attractive and as such would be classified as a pedo. To some degree I feel I would make a poor decision along the way and would prefer to keep my distance from any cubs. It is still enjoyable to view from afar and have my cartoon porn as an outlet.
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24 Feb 2020 22:18 PST
I mean I tend to think about things in terms of harm-based morality. The only things that are wrong are those that cause harm. Talking about whether something is "needed" is pointless imo. Also, I look at the dynamic a bit differently, than an adult coming into a cub's pre-existign naughty play.
I mean yeah, that's understandable. While I am pro-c in an ideal world, I do think it;s probably not the best idea with things as they currently are, though that's by no means universal, and the reason is because a lot of the harm that can happen even in cases where it is consensual and loving, happens when the pedo is "caught"
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24 Feb 2020 23:16 PST
Yeah, the current situation would make the whole thing awkward. Being "caught" would rip away someone that the cub cared about and was having fun with. This would be the biggest detriment as the cub may begin to blame themselves.
Most of the little ones that catch my eye would be a bit too young for things like "Doctor" but would be otherwise accessable during a diaper change. Which I've heard some say is a good opportunity to teach them about their bodies anyway. (That creates some naughty thoughts >///>)
Perhaps I struggle with these thoughts because I've been indoctrinated about the ideas of consent and such.
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24 Feb 2020 23:22 PST
Yeah, I'm not attracted to cubs younger than older toddlers really, but I am pro-c even with younger cubs, though I think it's even more of a minefield. I have written about that stuff at length but most is buried in replied to trolls on my journals.
But yeah, I think the current view of consent is pretty flawed. And you did say your a zoo right? I see consent for really young kids much the same as for non-humans. You have to gauge their reactions and stuff.
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25 Feb 2020 00:27 PST
My preference is for 6 and below, honestly. And yes, I am also a zoo. I definitely understand the need to be aware and sensitive to their reactions, no matter what age. Always keeping in mind that they should be able to fully enjoy the experience.
Despite some fantasies about more aggressive tactics I would much prefer to have a cub giggle during play time rather than crying. Their joy would give me joy. ^_^
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25 Feb 2020 00:34 PST
Of course. I mean that's what the vast majority of us want, to make cubs feel good. Violent kinks and fantasies are involuntary, and don't make anyone a bad person.
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25 Feb 2020 00:45 PST
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Violent kinks and fantasies are involuntary, and don't make anyone a bad person.
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I'm glad to hear you say that. I often worry that these thoughts are a sign that I really am some kind of monster. -.-
I also consider myself to be am ABDL. I have a very strong diaper fetish which is perhaps why the younger cubs appeal to me. >///>
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25 Feb 2020 01:04 PST
No, you're not a monster at all. The fact that you understand that those things are wrong, and are even able to separate them fro loving gentle activity with the same-aged participants, makes me very sure of that. No one chooses what gets their dick hard.
I have a very strong diaper fetish as well. I just think it's even better when it's cubs who "should" be out of diapers.
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25 Feb 2020 01:22 PST
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The fact that you understand that those things are wrong, and are even able to separate them fro loving gentle activity with the same-aged participants, makes me very sure of that.
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A very good point. Much the same way I differentiate between art and RL pornography. Plus I have my plushies to help relieve the tension if I get too worked up.
I can see the appeal of older cubs. Part of the reason why my preference is up to 6. :-P
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25 Feb 2020 01:28 PST
Yep, makes a lot of sense. And yeah, we can both agree that 4-6 year olds are very nice then. And if it ever came t it, less problematic to play with irl than super young cubs, even without a ton of things needing to change in terms of sex is viewed as a whole. At least imo.
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25 Feb 2020 01:58 PST
My "sweet spot" as it were is still around 2-3, but I get where you're coming from. Logistically older is better. You can ask if they're having fun and they can reply more efficiently. (And perhaps more enthusiastically as well ;-) )
But then again I still lean towards the lower end of that range. It would probably be best if I stayed away from the cubs and just played with their diapers. >///>
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25 Feb 2020 02:08 PST
Yep, exactly, and people are gonna be less able to gaslight them into believing that they were raped if they can actually clearly remember what happened.
As I said, I am pro-c for younger kids, it would just require them to mature in an environment that say sex as more of a affectionate thing rather than all the baggage our society places on it. At least that;s how I see it.
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25 Feb 2020 03:05 PST
Definitely would require a more yiff-positive environment. Overall I think that would be well worth it though. ^///^
Society definitely needs to be a little more understanding when it comes to sexuality in general.
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25 Feb 2020 03:52 PST
Thank you for chatting with me here. It has been a pleasure. :-)
I am curious about a few other things but I will hold off while you get a chance to rest.
I will look more into some other messaging apps and I will let you know if I sign up.
Thanks again! :-)
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25 Feb 2020 11:25 PST
Yep, I'm in agreement there.
I've been liking chatting with you too.
I've slept and I'm up now.
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25 Feb 2020 13:07 PST
I've started a Tox account. I believe my user name is paddedmatt
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25 Feb 2020 13:30 PST
With tox, you needed to share the ID. Like this: C02F78846F0B7124CEB9567DE9FB89AE65B895F36BF3F0B59310E64661F6E4405A6AF9EE667C
(yes, that is mine)
It's p2p and everything is stored locally on your device, there's no servers at all.
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25 Feb 2020 13:37 PST
Gotcha. Request sent! ^_^
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19 Mar 2020 20:04 PDT
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20 Mar 2020 03:51 PDT
Been busy. Feeling rather run down lately. Work has been draining.
How's you?
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20 Mar 2020 04:00 PDT
*hugs close*
I'm doin good myself. Was kinda missing you and worried about you
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